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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Cost&#8221; of Luxury Coffees (and the Cost of Talking About Them)</title>
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		<title>By: Aric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe--

I&#039;m going to be roasting for the new wholesale arm of a coffeehouse in Fremont.

I agree that an invitation-only business model doesn&#039;t look good for the long run.  If he can make it work the way I described in the post, well, it&#039;s a free country.  But it&#039;s hard not to look at it like a self-proclaimed kung fu master who, when asked to demonstrate his power, says &quot;oh no, I could never show you how skilled I am, it&#039;s too dangerous&quot;.  :)

-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to be roasting for the new wholesale arm of a coffeehouse in Fremont.</p>
<p>I agree that an invitation-only business model doesn&#8217;t look good for the long run.  If he can make it work the way I described in the post, well, it&#8217;s a free country.  But it&#8217;s hard not to look at it like a self-proclaimed kung fu master who, when asked to demonstrate his power, says &#8220;oh no, I could never show you how skilled I am, it&#8217;s too dangerous&#8221;.  <img src='http://wayofcoffee.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-a</p>
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		<title>By: Hair Farmer Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hair Farmer Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 05:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a coffee person myself (they kicked me out of the state for many years, but I sneaked back in) - but I do appreciate what you are doing.  Are you going to be roasting for yourself, or for a cafe, shop or brand.  

If someone feels like they and/or their product are so great that their business can survive on &quot;by invitation only&quot; - more power to them.  I don&#039;t really understand it - and don&#039;t believe they make as much money as they could be marketing other ways (if their product is actually good and/or marketable).

I guess that my new business as an Escort / Traveling Companion could be by invitation only.  But then again the ladies wouldn&#039;t be telling each other about me - they&#039;d all want to keep me a secret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a coffee person myself (they kicked me out of the state for many years, but I sneaked back in) &#8211; but I do appreciate what you are doing.  Are you going to be roasting for yourself, or for a cafe, shop or brand.  </p>
<p>If someone feels like they and/or their product are so great that their business can survive on &#8220;by invitation only&#8221; &#8211; more power to them.  I don&#8217;t really understand it &#8211; and don&#8217;t believe they make as much money as they could be marketing other ways (if their product is actually good and/or marketable).</p>
<p>I guess that my new business as an Escort / Traveling Companion could be by invitation only.  But then again the ladies wouldn&#8217;t be telling each other about me &#8211; they&#8217;d all want to keep me a secret.</p>
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		<title>By: Aric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark--

I agree.  I can&#039;t spend that much on something that won&#039;t even be around a few days (and if it is its value drops exponentially).

Of course, it&#039;s also a question of diminishing returns.  Is a $100 bottle of wine better than a $10 bottle?  Usually, yes.  But is it &lt;i&gt;ten times&lt;/i&gt; better?  Not even close.  Same with this.  Miguel might roast a damn fine Yemen but I&#039;m still not paying 10x the cost of another Yemen that&#039;s &quot;merely&quot; very good.  

Moreover, I think the chances of him definitively producing the best Yemen possible (to continue the example) are very slim.  Lots of roasters score 90+ from Kenneth Davids.  (Of course, many don&#039;t.)  Miguel is asking us to believe not just that he&#039;s very good or even among the best, which I can accept, but that no one can roast nearly as well as he can and that this extra level of ability is worth a 1000% markup, and that&#039;s demonstrably untrue.

This doesn&#039;t even take into account that most of the work of a quality bean happens in the growing phase.  Are there any farmers getting paid a commensurate 10x the market rate for Miguel&#039;s green coffees?  I doubt it.

-a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark&#8211;</p>
<p>I agree.  I can&#8217;t spend that much on something that won&#8217;t even be around a few days (and if it is its value drops exponentially).</p>
<p>Of course, it&#8217;s also a question of diminishing returns.  Is a $100 bottle of wine better than a $10 bottle?  Usually, yes.  But is it <i>ten times</i> better?  Not even close.  Same with this.  Miguel might roast a damn fine Yemen but I&#8217;m still not paying 10x the cost of another Yemen that&#8217;s &#8220;merely&#8221; very good.  </p>
<p>Moreover, I think the chances of him definitively producing the best Yemen possible (to continue the example) are very slim.  Lots of roasters score 90+ from Kenneth Davids.  (Of course, many don&#8217;t.)  Miguel is asking us to believe not just that he&#8217;s very good or even among the best, which I can accept, but that no one can roast nearly as well as he can and that this extra level of ability is worth a 1000% markup, and that&#8217;s demonstrably untrue.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t even take into account that most of the work of a quality bean happens in the growing phase.  Are there any farmers getting paid a commensurate 10x the market rate for Miguel&#8217;s green coffees?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>-a</p>
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		<title>By: MHA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh. Just as I could have scraped together the cash to have afforded the super-premium Sam Adams limited editions but chose not to, I could afford to buy $200/lb coffee if I really wanted to. But I don&#039;t see the point. It&#039;s not that they&#039;re consumables and thus a bad investment; I don&#039;t mind spending plenty on a bottle of scotch. It&#039;s just that a bottle of scotch goes a &lt;i&gt;long way,&lt;/i&gt; and a bottle of beer or a pound of coffee will go a lot faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh. Just as I could have scraped together the cash to have afforded the super-premium Sam Adams limited editions but chose not to, I could afford to buy $200/lb coffee if I really wanted to. But I don&#8217;t see the point. It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re consumables and thus a bad investment; I don&#8217;t mind spending plenty on a bottle of scotch. It&#8217;s just that a bottle of scotch goes a <i>long way,</i> and a bottle of beer or a pound of coffee will go a lot faster.</p>
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